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Trevor Hendy: How to Live Your Best Life Now

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Guy:  This week we welcome to the show Trevor Hendy, a former Australian surf Ironman champion and now wholistic life coach.

Throughout the late 1980s and early 1990s, Trevor won the Australian Surf Ironman Championship six times and came second on three occasions. He was unchallenged as “the Greatest Ironman in the World” – the pride of Australian Surf Life Saving. He was also inducted into the Sport Australia Hall of Fame in 2000.

He is now a speaker, mentor and coach. His client list also includes some of the worlds sporting and business elite. He mixes his experience as a counselor, life coach, sporting coach and elite athlete to guide everyone he works with to bigger and better things. He specialises in connecting with his clients at a deep enough level to find the personal negatives holding them back and unleash the passion they need to “go the whole way”.

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downloaditunesListen to StitcherQuestions we ask in this episode:

  • Was it a difficult transition from Ironman
  • Champion to embarking on a new career?
  • What does the Soul, Mind and Body connection mean to you?
  • What one thing/strategy/practice has enhanced your life the most?
  • What are your non-negotiable practices?
  • What foods do you eat and what foods do you avoid?

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Guy:

Hey this is Guy Lawrence of 180 Nutrition and welcome to another episode of the Health Sessions where, of course, we cut through the confusion by connecting with leading global health and wellness leaders to share the best and the latest science and thinking and empowering people to turn their health and lives around. We are doing it this week with the fantastic Trevor Hendy.

Now, If you are not familiar with Trevor, throughout the late 1980s and early 1990s, Hendy competed in Iron Man Surf LifeSaving Races, winning the Australian championship six times, which is an amazing feat and was quite a bit of an Aussie icon. Now we get Trevor on the show today to tap into all of his wisdom, what has happened in his life since that point as well.
[00:01:00] Trevor is now a sought after keynote speaker, he is a coach and mentor and his passion is helping people create positive change in their life and how our lives have a much bigger purpose hovering behind it.

I loved this interview with Trevor today, he is one huge ball of energy and was 100% there giving us his time and I have no doubt you will take inspiration from this episode today as we get into all sorts of topics. I will say the internet was a little bit scratchy. The content is there, the information is there so stick with it.

Sometimes technology, Skype, goes a little bit beyond our control and there is not much we can do about it. We decided to roll with the interview anyway because Trevor is a very busy guy and we wanted to get him on the show and share what it is. Bear with it, it is all there, but you just have to be a little bit patient at times during the interview.

[00:02:00] Apart from that, this is a rocking episode and of course if you are enjoying our podcasts, and that is only if you are enjoying it, please hit the ‘subscribe’ button on iTunes, hit the five star button, these help with our rankings and allowing other people to find this information, just like yourself listening to this because they truly are helping people’s lives and we get a huge kick out of it. Of course, if you are feeling very adventurous, leave us a review, an honest review and any feedback as well is always appreciated. Okay, let’s go over to Trevor Hendy. Enjoy.

Guy:

Hi, this Guy Lawrence, I am joined with Stuart Cook. Hi, Stu.

Stu:

Hello mate, how are you?

Guy:

I am fantastic [inaudible 00:02:32] is Trevor Hendy. Trevor, welcome to the show.

Trevor:

Thanks Guy, good to be here mate.

Guy:

I appreciate it. The first question I have been asking everyone recently on our podcast is if a complete stranger came up to you on the street and asked you what you did for a living, what would you say?

Trevor:
[00:03:00] That is a really funny one to ask me because all my family and my friends often laugh about this because I have trouble answering it. The reason being what I do is I explain it differently every time. I help people release their baggage and get out of that unconscious stream and [inaudible 00:03:11] and that sort of troublesome place where it is us against the world and we better compete and fight for everything.

I help people get out of that and into their flow, where their natural state is, where their natural being is and to be really able to appreciate life in every moment, rather than being on this timeline thing where the beauty is in the future, it’s not right here now. That is what I do and I don’t know how to explain it. I try and help … I am helping people create more space in themselves, so maybe I am a space man? It is kind of like … I often say holistic life coach.

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Guy:

[00:04:00] Fantastic, fantastic. I appreciate it could have been a tough one actually. For all our listeners as well, because I am fully aware that I think over 30% of our listeners are actually worldwide, they are not from Australia so they might not be familiar with your past and your achievements and what you have done. Would you mind just taking us a little back to the beginning and sort of bring us up to speed. Not only were you an amazing Iron Man, I heard the other day as well that you actually spent a fair bit of time travelling, as a kid, with your family as well and I was fascinated by all that. Could you kind of fill us in a little bit so people get a feel for your background, Trevor?

Trevor:

Sure. I was born in Melbourne, Victoria and my dad was pretty brave. He came home one day when I was about three years old and said to my mum, “Look, I’ve worked out what I want to do, I want to pack up, sell the house and everything. I want to travel around Australia for a couple of years. I am hearing that everybody else is traveling around the world and seeing the world, but no one is seeing our own country.”

[00:05:00] He wanted to give us that experience and he had, I think, an itchy feeling that he had the house and the wife and the kids and the picket fence and a couple of pets and I think he thought that that was not probably everything that he wanted, that there must have been something more. He had the perfect job and couple of qualifications. He was a builder and a mechanic and stuff like that, which is the perfect set up really because then what he did then was we sold the house, we traveled around Australia for two years from when I was 3 to 5 and my sister [inaudible 00:05:27] age, I was being role modeled by a father who was willing to go outside the status quo to give his family something that he just sensed there was something more.

[00:06:00] He didn’t know there was more, he just sensed there was more and he just traveled around Australia looking for a place for us to settle ultimately, but also [inaudible 00:05:51] would cook and clean and lots of stuff. We would stay some places for two nights and some places for two months.

It was an incredible experience. We eventually nearly settled in a place in Western Australia in a place called Port Headland and he said to mum, “Bev, we are going back to Melbourne and grab the stuff, there is plenty of work over here and we are going to settle in.” For the next two weeks it rained nonstop flooded the whole place.

As soon as the rain backed off, he couldn’t wait to get out of there and he went,”Well, the Gold Coast was my second choice.” He came to the Gold Coast, east coast of Australia. Waves, beautiful blue ocean on the Pacific Ocean and an incredible lifestyle. A very thin band, on the Gold Coast, of land and city area between the hinterland and the ocean. Not much stayed sill for long here. It was an incredible place to grow up.
[00:07:00] He eventually put me into Nippers, which is the junior surf life Saving movement. I was scared, I cried, I didn’t want to go away from my mum. I didn’t want to be in the water, all that sort of stuff, in the waves, around other guys that were competitive. Eventually, I fell in love with the Nippers and I just loved taking off on the paddle boards, which were meant to be for paddling in and out and I’d take off from the shore and I could stand up in them and try and [inaudible 00:07:17] with my mates and make the shore [inaudible 00:07:20] and lots of stuff.

At heart, I am real mixture between a surfer and an iron Man. I grew into it eventually when I had a crack at the Iron Man, because I just figured, to be truthful, what happened was I started to feel a bit bullied by life. I was young, small, was skinny, freckly, really really shy and other guys in the surf club seemed to be just on top. Everything they said was funny, they had abs and they could surf and they were Australian champions and they would get all the girls and all that sort of stuff. I just kind of one day, deep in the recesses of my soul somewhere, went, “That’s it. I’m going to be the Iron Man.”

Guy:

Could you explain to our listeners, just in case they are not familiar with what an Iron Man event is?

Trevor:

Yeah, a little different to the Iron Man that we now know, which is the Hawaiian Iron man and the distance event. Our Iron Man was the Ocean Iron Man, the Surf Iron Man and its basically ocean sea paddling or ocean kayak paddling, rescue board paddling, like we see the outboards in Baywatch, etc. That sort of stuff and ocean swimming.

Basically a championship event is a 12-minute event where each of those legs has a transition run leg on the sand in between and then a sprint to the finish line. It’s ski, board, swim, run are the four legs and then the professional series that you go on to do later, as you get into the pro side and you get into TV and everything. It’s made for television so longer events, 45 minute events and in our day we had 2-hour events and 4-hour events and all that sort of stuff.

[00:09:00] So you had to kind of become the Iron Man to be able to pull off the Iron Man because you had to deal with all those different muscle groups, train all those different groups. Of course, the biggest thing of all was what it taught me was you can be as fit as you want, you can be as prepared, as healthy, ready to go in the mind, all those sort of things, as fast as you want with the best equipment but it really came down to you and the ocean.

We raced on the water’s edge, in the Pacific Ocean and all the major oceans of the world and probably two thirds of the time we had some significant waves to deal with. You had to …. That 90% preparation of physical and mental prowess was really, really important to get to the same level as everybody else, but that final 10% really became the 90% once you got there. The thing that defined everybody was the ability to deal with the conditions and deal with how everything happened.

[00:10:00] I’ll try to make a really long story short … is that at a young age my coach had worked with me around just being really in the moment, in the process, the process of paddling and everything else. The way we viewed things was a little bit different. We’d walk up to the carnival and my mum … She’d be folding the chair and my dad would be digging the umbrella in and the surf club would be putting the tent up for everybody to sit under for the day. Australian championships would get 8,000 competitors, so it’s not a small event. It’s a massive, massive thing [inaudible 00:10:29] to be at one of those things. Your local carnival is not that big.

I’d be finishing the warm up and I’m 16, I’ve never won a race in my life, but I’m really committed and determined to start winning and I was like “That’s it” because I wanted to get the girl, win that thing to get the girl. “I’ve got to win that bloody race so I can get the girl.”

[00:11:00] I remember the first time, my first carnival after I really really switched and started working with my coach and got really significant goals and really, really put the work in. Previous to that, I was nowhere. I wasn’t even in the running for anything. [inaudible 00:11:02] gigantic waves, big blue open waves [inaudible 00:11:08] cyclone. I’m drying off after the warm up and at every carnival they call out the order beforehand, the order of the event. “The order of the Iron Man today will be …” because [inaudible 00:11:19] board races, ski races, swim races “The order of the Iron Man is going to be,” and they called out “Board, swim, ski.” My mum turns to me and says [inaudible 00:11:32]

Stu:

Oh no.

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Trevor:

“Board, swim, ski. Board first, ski last. That’s my perfect order mum.” And she was like “Did you hear that Ron?” Which is my [inaudible 00:11:46]

[00:12:00] Gigantic, big cyclonic waves and I went “It’s huge mum. It’s a real thinking man’s race today. You’ve got to go under and over and around and really be patient and [inaudible 00:12:00] break and all that, it’s my perfect conditions.”

Mum was like “Did you hear that Ron? It’s his perfect order and perfect conditions.” With that mindset and attitude, I went on to win my first Iron Man race ever.

A couple of weeks later, we’re at the next carnival. After the warm up, I’m drying off, they’re putting the umbrella up, all that sort of stuff is happening. The same thing, they call out the order. The order is ski, swim, board. My mum [inaudible 00:12:24] “Ski, swim, board, mum. Ski, swim, board. Ski first, board last, swim in the middle. It’s my perfect order, mum.” To which she said “What are the conditions like for you?” It was dead flat, howling cross shore wind. I said “It’s going to be really hard ranking today, really all about fitness and being smart around the turns and everything else and watching out for the wind and it’s my perfect conditions. ” My mum was like, “Did you hear that Ron? Perfect order, perfect conditions.” Trying to make the story quicker, I go on to win the race.
[00:13:00] Then at state championships a couple of weeks later they’re calling out the order, the order is swim, board, ski. My mum says “What’s that order like for you Trev?” [crosstalk 00:13:04] “First swim, last ski, and board in the middle, that’s my perfect order mum.” There’s about 3 foot waves. She goes “Hang on.” Looks out and goes “And these are your perfect conditions aren’t they?” “You got it mum.” She turns to my dad and says “Did you hear that Ron? It’s always his perfect order and always his perfect conditions.” To which my dad says “Oh, Bev. How long did it take you to work that out?”

If I could summarize, that was what I learned through the whole period. It doesn’t … I used to say the conditions are always perfect. It didn’t matter what the ocean served up. I couldn’t afford to say, “That’s not my favorite conditions.” It had to be my favorite conditions every time.

[00:14:00] There’s a billboard over behind my house [inaudible 00:13:49] attitude written across it. We often look at the billboard and go “What’s it teaching us today?” [inaudible 00:13:57] attitude. I think at the basis of all things it is all about attitude and that’s the first little inkling we go from probably body [inaudible 00:14:08] because you begin to [inaudible 00:14:11] it opens up opportunities for me and life starts to flow again.

Long story short, I was really successful, won several world championships and broke all those records and all that sort of stuff. Most of the people thought I did it from brute strength and fitness. I had that side that I worked on, but to be truthful I did it from [inaudible 00:14:29] I did it from being able to relax, to be able to let go, to believing in what [inaudible 00:14:35] to trusting myself when I had an intuition to go left and not right when everyone else was going the other way.

It was an Iron Man series, but it was training me to believe in myself and it was training me to almost believe in something bigger than myself as well in the sense of float the ocean and all that sort of stuff. That’s how I got to where I’ve ended up.

Guy:

Amazing. Was it 6 championships you won? Is that …

Trevor:

Six Australian Iron Man championships, 4 world championships. They were on every second year. When you won one it was such a relief because you knew you had … it was winning an Olympic thing because you had 4 years. World Iron Man championship, you won it and you knew for 2 years “I don’t have to defend it.”

Guy:

Got it.

Trevor:

Yes, I had a really good run in that period of time and because of my outlook I very quickly came across … I was always trying to find the edge and understand and the next thing I started discovering energy and movement and all sorts of other things. To be truthful, I got more excited about that and how that … I had a broken relationship and I had broken finances and I had lots …. So I was like a champion in the water, but I was a fish out of water when it came to relationships and everything else.

[00:16:00] I met some people that helped me with the other side and my racing went through the roof, broke all the records but had this inner peace and this calmness and I corrected those post relationships and current relationship. It was like the whole world opened up to me and I couldn’t believe that of all the best people, physios and sports psychs and the best people in the western world could help you with, couldn’t point me into that area, never even knew it existed. It made me realize that when I finished racing that’s what I want to do. I want to help people wake up, not just be successful and achieve their goals. I want to help them wake up and actually realize who they really are and what they’re capable of. There’s the full flow through.

Stu:

Was it a difficult transition? To move from being the God of the water, then to something completely new.

Trevor:

[00:17:00] Entirely, Stu. I think the thing is …. That was a really challenging time because I was really kind of getting this enlightenment about life, which sounds so strange to say. It sounds so weird, but I was literally waking up. My eyes were opening up too. It’s all about energy. It’s all about actually closeness and connection. It’s not about fighting the other guy to be better than him. It’s actually … He’s in it with me.

A couple of things happened. I raced way better. I went to the World Ocean Man championship and I stood on the line of the first race in New Zealand, massive surf in Piha in New Zealand. It was being televised around the world [inaudible 00:17:22] on the backs of their swimmers. I’m so in the moment after this realization and the people are doing the Haka for us right before we start and I’m tearing up. I’m thinking this is just incredible what I’m involved with here and such [inaudible 00:17:42]

[00:18:00] … raced in the one series and I’m now 26. There’s an old John Denver song, “Rocky Mountain High” “He was born in the summer of his 27th year.” It was like that. I was literally waking up to life. I was so appreciative of being … When the gun went they’re all flying trying to win this race and I’m running at the back going “Hey boys, wait for me!”

It was a really strange transition. That 45-minute race, I didn’t even try to win it. I was just so excited to be with everybody. At the end of it, I ended out in the front my [inaudible 00:18:18] no one got out the last time and I was paddling around. I just caught a wave and I came back in and went across the line and went “Oh, wow. Thanks”.

Bizarre experience of having … I was winning even easier … but I couldn’t share it with my mates. They didn’t understand. We’d gone from being racing really hard [inaudible 00:18:37] you know all that sort of stuff and they were still doing the same and I was beginning to go “Oh, [inaudible 00:18:46] catch a train to Philadelphia when you’re already in Philadelphia. I didn’t need to be here to make myself feel good. I felt amazing.

[00:19:00] The challenging thing was, from an ego perspective that was crumbling and dying, so any grip I had on life from being an iron man was kind of … that was stopping me. I had to keep [inaudible 00:19:07] that down. [inaudible 00:19:08] :… I think he’s a born again, what’s happened to him?” [inaudible 00:19:15] so that was a challenging time.

Full circle, now we’re all best buddies and often they’ll ring me and say “Hey mate, can I have a chat to you about this?” and get help with these different things. There was a while there where I was the guy that had betrayed everybody because they just couldn’t understand what I was going through, but what I was going through was [inaudible 00:19:35] I’m simply valuing that next person more than I am conquering the next situation.

Guy:

The first thing that popped in there, it was almost like you’re racing to win something and you’re detached from an outcome. You’re enjoying the moment more than whether you actually win the race or not.

Trevor:

Yes.

Guy:

Then you go and win the race because you’re not attached to the outcome.

Trevor:

Yeah, the outcome comes to you. Its just this crazy thing. Instead of chasing the outcome, you just be there and you are the outcome. Then, whatever you had in your mind, “Oh it would be good to win.” If that decision is there, it kind of comes to you rather than forcing your way to it.

The challenging thing hasn’t been … That’s the most liberating, incredible experience to ever have. The challenging thing is then to actually … Because I actually deeply care about people and life and I’ve always wanted to contribute even before I was aware of that. The challenging thing is that [inaudible 00:20:27] what’s the word I’m looking for? Translating that to other people and going “Just let go.” Working with other athletes as I’ve gone on and other people in life and just helping them through and bridging them through those situations where they are holding on so tightly. [inaudible 00:20:47]

[00:21:00] … And will pay those bills and I’ll be able to look after the wife or … There are really heartfelt reasons why our mind grabs on so tight. The mind doesn’t help us at all. There’s a saying I use a lot lately is … The ego basically equals unconscious, so the ego is just the mind that is built up and the saying is “The ego is …. Of all of the creative faculties that we have inside of us, the ego is the only one that can’t help us get what the ego wants.” It literally [inaudible 00:21:18] it wants all the good and it wants all this stuff, but it actually can’t help us get it. It’s actually the creative faculty inside, it’s our ability to concentrate and focus and decide and be willing to do the work and take responsibility. All that, that’s actually … It sounds like a good mental state, but it’s actually quite a spiritual state to be able to take responsibility for something. It’s certainly not ego.

Then the ego, once it gets it, it claims it, it goes “I did it!” Its like this thing we carry around with us that wants to take the accolades for everything we do, but really it’s our flow that creates good things in life.

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Guy:

[00:22:00] I’m intrigued, because we’ve been podcasting now for many years and we’ve had all sorts of health experts on and they’ve really opened up our eyes as well in the way health is portrayed. In the mainstream it’s about … I was in the fitness world for a long time and to be healthy you needed to count your calories, flog yourself exercising, eat low-fat foods. There was never really this holistic viewpoint of what actually wellness is. There was this whole sort of fragmented …

I was curious to think what does the mind, body, soul connection, if you like, mean to you or even what true wellness means.

Trevor:

[00:23:00] That’s definitely something I’ve discovered more as I’ve gone on and on. I think … If you think of health, all right, our current measure for health is that “I’m not sick.” When you really think about how the world views health, health is not sick. Health should mean health, vitality, vibrancy but it doesn’t. It’s been really dumbed down to mean “I’m not a problem. I don’t have any problems. I’m healthy.”

That’s where the word “wellness” came in. It’s because health should’ve covered that word, but it didn’t because it’s like a lot of things in life it’s been [inaudible 00:23:13] so health is more about survival than it is about thriving. Wellness suggests a thriving type of attitude.

What that means is that out of body, mind and soul [inaudible 00:23:26] people have trouble with the soul aspect or whatever, let’s just say body, mind and energy levels. At these levels wellness simply means “I’m well.” It means body wise I’ve actually got energy inside of me, I’ve got vibration, I’ve got clarity. I can move things. I’m not tense. I’m at a mind level. I think of detoxing. Detox the body, detox the mind, detox the soul.
[00:24:00] What are we doing? What chemicals and things are we putting in to our bodies, some of it unknowingly, a lot of it unknowingly in the stuff we’re ingesting. We don’t realize what we’re ingesting. That stuff we’re sucking up when we pump out petrol. When we use cleaners and detergents and all that sort of stuff. This is all coming in to our overall … it’s like a bank balance. It just diminishes that vibratory level and dulls it down a little bit by being exposed to these duller vibrations, the chemicals.

The skin and the body are actually absorbing all this sort of stuff and then not really knowing how to deal with it or get rid of it. It knows how to, but that’s when we’re functioning with a clear mind and a clear perspective or clear outlook, what’s called a clear soul. Our body can then actually let go of these things. It’s actually built to get rid of it. When you put all that in the body and then you stress about the next paycheck and then the next moment, the next thing and “This is not going to work. Why do those people always do that and why are my kids ….” We come down, down, down, down, down.

[00:25:00] We’re taking … Ekhart Tolle says something beautiful which is “Every thought has a life force attached to it.” Every one of those thoughts, those down thoughts brings a life force or a down energy [inaudible 00:25:10] so now we’ve got a dull body with dull mind [inaudible 00:25:14

[00:26:00] We have the same impulses. We’re still craving to be free, but now it starts to come out in this dysfunctional sort of way. Freedom doesn’t get achieved very fast when we’ve got all that heavy energy on top of us when we haven’t detoxed the mind and the body. What happens is … We try … “Oh, I’ll go meditate or I’ll go and try these different things.” Whatever it may be. We do those powerful practices, but it doesn’t last very long because the rest of the vibration is kind of anchored body/mind wise. Yes, I meditate for 2 hours and then I go back in to work and that same idiot is doing that same thing at work and I’ve got the same situation and voomp, I’m back there where I was. It might last 5 minutes longer whatever.

Vibration …. We’re down under all this sort of stuff and now, at that level, then our body can’t let go of it. It all just starts to suppress and add up and grow on top. Worse than that is, we then start going “Okay”… We crave quick fixes so I call it the sugar survival mode. If we’re mentally, emotionally, chemically, spiritually, physically anchored in any sort of heavy vibration, anything that gives us a kick becomes very attractive to us.

We know inside we’re meant to be free. I have a coffee, that feels much closer to freedom that what I was feeling before. I have a chocolate bar and it feels [inaudible 00:26:47] nom, nom, nom. That’s not like this, it’s more like this, but that’s closer to freedom too, compared to what we’re feeling.

[00:27:00] It could be sex, it could be gambling, it could be winning in business. We start dreaming of things that are going to fix it; the house, the car, the mortgage, that job if I can pull it off. We’re just never ever, ever [inaudible 00:27:10] we’re chasing some sort of sugar whether it’s the future job, whether it’s the sex, whether it’s the sugar itself, whether it’s the alcohol, whether it’s the drugs [inaudible 00:27:24] depressed and so down we start to get physical … our body then lets us know something is not right and when our body let’s us know we then go “Oh, I’ve got this ailment. I’m not healthy any more.” We haven’t been well for a long time because we’re hooked into this stream of life and now we’re not healthy either. So what do we do? We go to a health practitioner. There [inaudible 00:27:47]

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[00:28:00] … a lot of them are very, very caring people that really set about wanting to make a difference in the world and they were trained to see it one way, only one way. Even all the ways they look at it and all the things often, unless they’ve got a little bit of consciousness, they still only see it only one way. It’s all the different one ways to see it and it all leads back to what chemical I can give you or what I can do to help fix it.

They’re less and less like that these days, there are more doctors and health practitioners who are waking up, but that’s the standard practice to go there. What do we do? We get given something else to fix it. Then we go on a course of that and it creates another thing. It’s actually just a downward spiral into bad health.

[00:29:00] The problem is we think health is the highest point, but if we could change the word health to what it really means that would be a high point but really we’ve used the word wellness to describe what it means to be free … Chemically free, mentally free, in the moment. There’s a lot going on in this world that’s crazy, crazy beautiful if we get out of all that junk thinking and it’s available right here, right now.

Yes, we’ve got to detox and all that to maintain that energy and everything else, but even that is just a matter of clearing it out. We still need to get ourselves back into this moment and intuitively find out what’s true. That’s the way I describe it.

Stu:

Yeah, great.

You’ve described to in a sense me, Trevor, classic burnout symptoms, so we’re all burning ourselves out; left, right, and center. We’ve got our mobile devices. We’re stressed to the hilt. We sleep next to our iPhones and we constantly check the next best thing. We exercise our nuts off until our adrenals fry.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Stu:

How can we turn this around? Where should we start if we want to find that path to true wellness.

Trevor:

[00:30:00] [inaudible 00:38:51] It’s almost like we’re being hypnotized into this belief that it’s going to be better soon if I get more, more, more, more, more. I work these groups and individuals all the time and I take them on a little path to say “Tell me what it is that you think when we get more of it is going to fix it?” We go through the house, the car, the girlfriend, [inaudible 00:30:14] the career [inaudible 00:30:16] this big list and then I ask them, I say “Let’s go and ask … We’re going to follow our feelings out of this physical world, this material world.

I’m going to ask you, there’s another world, a non-material world. Call it metaphysical, which just means not physical, call it spiritual enough [inaudible 00:30:33] and you’re not hooked into all that other garbage. We’re going to follow the feeling curve and I’m going to ask you a question “Why? Why do you want that? Why? How does that feel?” We always end up getting all the way over to the realization that I want all those things because I want to be free. I want all those things because I want to feel safe. I want to feel connected, I want to feel close. I want to feel loved. I want to feel worthy. I want to feel open. I want to share things with people.

[00:31:00] This is the deeper realization, it’s behind every human being I’ve ever met, is actually whether we’re [inaudible 00:31:03] all that sort of stuff behind the whole lot. We try to get somewhere because we want to feel free. We want to feel like [inaudible 00:31:15] free. It’s no doubt about the spiritual state, it’s no doubt about finding that state right here, right now. It’s not dependent on the conditions. In other words, the conditions are always perfect.

What I don’t love about the fact that we’re being hypnotized and drawn into this promise, this carrot that we’re going to get better with the next thing is that while it’s killing us and it is, make no mistake it’s killing us. It’s killing us as a society, we make all the wrong decisions from and our government sits in it, our policing sits in it, our education sits in it and we’re just doing the same stuff over and over again. The old Einstein quote, I think it was “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expect a different result.” Another one that I love from him is “You cannot solve a problem on the same level of mind that it was created.”

[00:32:00] As it goes on and on and on that little spiritual part of us has to still be here, otherwise we’re not alive. We can’t live and stay alive unless we’re still here spiritually somewhat even if we’ve got no awareness of it. That little energetic being that’s in us eventually had enough, eventually went “This is bullshit. This is it. I’ve had enough, I can’t do this.” There’s an inner readiness that comes about. Somebody just says “You promised me the world and all I’ve got is misery.” It kind of just all of a sudden … it’s a bit of a dysfunctional period but we begin to reject all the things that we’re told are going to fix us.

[00:33:00] Now, while that’s dysfunctional it might even be a little bit anxiety and antsy. Its the beginning of waking up. People begin to to ask the question from the unpopular person who has been shunned. They start looking quietly at Youtube meditation things or somewhere over here, something their group of people wouldn’t look at. They begin to actually go “You know what? I’m read for something different. There must be something different because I’ve had enough. Enough is enough.”

Something arises and awakens the longer we’re suppressed and dead for. It doesn’t work for everybody. Suicide [inaudible 00:33:12] got a lot to answer for in [inaudible 00:33:16] minds the way people feel in the world, it’s not very good. If we’re lucky enough to be one of those ones that wake up in the middle of it and go “I can change this.” The great thing that happens is the inner [inaudible 00:33:30] occurs. As soon as that happens and I suggest probably that everyone listening to this must have a bit of that. Otherwise, if you don’t have it this would sound like a lot of gobbledygook gook. I sound like I’m talking in braille.

[00:34:00] When you’ve got a little bit or it, you recognize it straight away. It makes you come alive. You know “The truth will set you free?” It’s like “Ah yes, this bit of truth.” That inner readiness … Something crazy happens even though you don’t know it yet and you don’t have to know it back to front at any stage. The spiritual universe kicks in, in other words life begins to … You begin to attract what you’re now ready for.

I was previously ready for proving myself and ready for actually dominating and ready for “I’ll get there eventually.” Life brings you all that. There’s a wonderful thing called the law of attraction, that when you’re ready you begin to attract other ideas. “How long has this been going on?” You later discover thousands of years actually. It’s not new. It’s nothing new. Every major religion and every major philosopher and [inaudible 00:34:32] along the way has actually pointed to the same stuff. Anyone who has actually woken up and not just spouted it. They’re saying the same thing. [inaudible 00:34:41] a saying that I love and that is “What you focus on grows.”
[00:35:00] It’s a little bit like that adage, the black wolf and the white wolf that … It’s a Cherokee grandfather and he’s there with his grandchild and he says “Grandson, inside of every man and woman there’s a black wolf and a white wolf. The black wolf is jealous, angry, vengeful, fearful, manipulative. The white wolf is compassionate, caring, open, expanding, understanding, energetic and those [inaudible 00:35:11] so a man or woman’s life is defined by which wolf wins the fight. To which the grandson says “Granddad, how do you know which wolf is going to win the fight.” He says “Whichever one you feed.”

… There’s something outside of us that’s quite invested in staying people making money out of us being unconscious. The medical industry is thriving on it. There’s so much going on … Wars and all this sort of massive money being made from us being a little bit asleep. [inaudible 00:35:50] the sex on the billboards all [inaudible 00:35:55]

[00:36:00] When we begin to focus on something different, guess what? It grows and we attract it. One of my favorite sayings is “When the student is ready, the teacher appears.” The teacher could literally be life. It could be this podcast right now. It could be you guys, the people that you bring in an everyone following you guys and listening to the next person and the next person. When you’re ready, literally what you need appears.

If I could summarize it, I said this to a workshop yesterday in Melbourne, that there’s actually … When you boil it down to that [inaudible 00:36:24] if you boil it down there’s really two mindsets or two ideas. One is that everything I need is separate to me and the people are separate. We are all separate from each other and that I’ve got to chase it, work hard for it, get it. I’ve got to grab it, keep hold of it, keep people away from it and everything else. That creates a lot of dysfunction, that mindset, that thought.
[00:37:00] We didn’t have that when we were kids. We didn’t have that at 3, 4 or 5. We might have had it when we got our first toy and we went “Mine.” You know it to started to grow pretty early but it grows into this giant industry of separation and competition. Now the mindset, which is not really a mindset it’s more of an understanding, is being free of mind, is the realization that we’re not separate, we’ve got the same stuff. [inaudible 00:37:05]

… We see it from different personalities and different points of view and everything, but we share the same life force and we’re actually stumbling around the same questions and we’re wanting the same things. So when you begin to open up to that, life gives that back to you. That … It’s a funny way to answer the question, but that’s where it starts. It starts from the readiness and the idea that “I think I’m ready for something more than this promise that’s delivered just more suffering.” Even if I pulled it off and I’m a winner for a while, “I’m the winner! They’re the loser, I’m the winner! I’m on top of the pile.”
[00:38:00] Or, we can maintain it. There are sports people who do a good job. They maintain it and then someone in their family gets sick or there’s a big financial disaster or something around them loses and it crashes down. Because, until they awaken, in my own experience and I don’t want people just to believe this, but in my experience the freer I am, more people win around me.

I call it the bed sheet principle. You pick up the center of the bed sheet and you pick it up, you’re only picking up that bit but the whole lot comes up. When you’re truly coming up, everyone around you comes up. If you suspend that bed sheet, drop a rock in the middle, being you, me, anybody, the whole lot comes down. Really all we can take responsibility for is our own consciousness and our ability to lift ourselves up, see the world, wake up to it and begin to go “Oh!” I can only be affected by this and drawn into it if I can’t see it. I’m believing that it’s going to fix my problems and I leap into the next situation thinking “That’s going to make me better.” The moment I do that, I’m going down the same path here. If I go into and go “What can I contribute?” I’m going to be present while I’m doing it, you can do the same thing you’re doing now, but you can have an impact, rather that just sort of fumble around in the dark.

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Guy:

Do you think we, as human beings, have to experience the pain first to then catapult us into that direction.

Trevor:

Yeah.

Guy:

Do you think it’s possible just to transition into being more of a conscious person?

Trevor:

I haven’t really had that experience. [inaudible 00:39:12] two main ways that we awaken and we transition into that place where we really do live the life that we want to live. Those two ways are pain and suffering, which is the gradual awakening and the realization of that inner readiness comes about, that we just talked about. Absolutely pain is probably the most profound teacher on the planet. So the unconscious and the negativity in us all chasing the same fruitless things, is actually wonderful because it create pain. That pain makes us … It brings attention to things. It actually draws our attention back to here. We kind of go inward again. Pain is definitely the major one that most people who are evolving through. It can be a long slow process through pain.
[00:40:00] The other one is called, or referred to as satori which is sudden realization. Basically satori means that we are going along and we just realize something and we completely bypass the pain because we see the whole situation for what it is and we take a different fork in the road.

What the mind loves to do, it always wants to choose between one or the other and I call it the third way. It’s not pain or satori it’s actually whatever one is needed most. Occasionally we’ve got to strive through for a while and pain might be what wakes up in the first place. Sometimes, at the end of a long period of pain, we have satori. We have the realization that “Oh, my God, that started way back then when the way I grew up and my dad used to treat my mum and I’m doing that now to my wife. Oh, my God, I’ve become like my father and I promised I never would.” Of course your father became like his father and he probably said he never would and so there’s no actual perpetrator in the whole lot and no victim.

[00:41:00] We’re all kind of victims to our own consciousness. The satori, the sudden realization that “Oh, I can see it!” To me that’s the absolute joy and bliss. Once you’ve had that, you don the want to go through the pain anymore. That creates a little bit more pain in itself because you want to avoid pain, but ultimately you come around to realize it a bit of a mixture of both. Someone like Ekhart Tolle went through the pain, had the satori has never revisited the pain again.

[00:42:00] I think a lot of other people who awaken and start to become a bit more conscious, if I use myself as an example, I’ve had some major satori, some major moments of “Ah!” Then as I’ve tried to explain that to people or bring that up in the world I’ve met with more pain. The resistance in them is really the next layer in me that I hadn’t seen. I’ve only ever been clearing myself out and getting [inaudible 00:41:52] And all that sort of stuff. It’s an interesting thing that one can sometimes lead to the other but eventually [inaudible 00:42:00] is the one that feels like [inaudible 00:42:03] out of body experience [inaudible 00:42:06] and work as hard as you want, but if you can find the rip you’re going to get out twice as fast.

For the average person, the rip is the most dangerous place and you shouldn’t go there. Life is very similar when we see the pain and the unconsciousness in relationships, we run away from it instead of going towards it and facing it and going into the pain and looking. When we do that it’s like jumping into the rip. Yes, it’s dangerous. Yes, it’s taking you off the safety of the land and dragging you out into the deep ocean, the deep ocean of emotion when you go into those painful situations. If you go there willingly, even just keeping your head above the water you end up out the back. You end up out the back [crosstalk 00:42:56].

[00:43:00] I often think “Wow, I chose an interesting way to learn my lessons,” because I came into the world and ended up doing surf Iron Man racing to somewhat awaken myself and to go “No, people don’t do it! Don’t swim across the bay if you don’t have to.” Why go across the bay if you can go on the rip? “Because I’m scared of the rip… Because I can’t swim.” It’s because 90% of the people told you you’re going to drown in it. [crosstalk 00:43:27]

I’m obviously using it as an analogy for emotion and life and those challenging relationships. Go swim in them, jump in and actually get some backing with someone else and say “Just keep an eye on me … I’m going to go … Actually ring my ex-wife.” [inaudible 00:43:41] separate thing, literally go through the pain and know that you’ll come out with the satori on the other side and the realization that “It’s okay, I’m better.”

Stu:

What does a typical day look like for you Trevor? Given the fact that you love the ocean, you do all that amazing stuff but you’re also innately aware of what you need to do to grow spiritually and mentally as well. Run us through your day.

Trevor:

I usually wake up … It depends. My wife and I often get up and walk the dog together and have a talk and do a little bit of Ba Dua Jing or Chi Gong on the beach, just to relax. I’ll always finish with an ocean swim and just go out. That’s the standard practice. There’s a couple of buddies that I meet for early morning walks and swims that are sort of practitioners and life coaches and stuff. We walk and talk and dance around and have a bit of a laugh at what we thought we were right about yesterday and it turns out we were wrong and all that sort of stuff. That’s a nice little camaraderie between people who are working in the same areas.

Stu:

Yes.

Trevor:

I do that often, but what happens is that I work with a few big organizations and I work with a lot of leaders, a lot of people that are [inaudible 00:45:05] a friend who’s a musician who’s on a big trip [inaudible 00:45:12] who rings in or flies in or sends me a message saying “Hey, I’d love a chat right now.”

[00:46:00] I work with musicians and actors and sports people and big CEOs and business people [inaudible 00:45:23] I just worked out that when I work out … By me wanting to share that I come in contact with all these other people who are impacting society with everything they do, every message they put out, every song they write, every performance they do, every [inaudible 00:45:44] interview after an event. I got …. Somebody else helped me to wake up so I really am literally paying that forward. I end up with these big organizations because that person says “Can you come and help me with the whole organization.” I’m often doing one on one work or organizational work and it’s often somewhere else in the country or the world.

I love traveling. I’m 8 minutes from the airport. My family are all [inaudible 00:46:10] We travel together. My daughter home schools and my other 3 kids are all finished school and moving on to great things.

Stu:

Okay.

Trevor:

As a family we want to travel the world helping people. I just came back from 6 days in Victoria [inaudible 00:46:24] and returned. This morning, what it looked like was, I stayed in bed until about [inaudible 00:46:36] because one of the guys that I work with was in the world surf tour in Fiji setting amazing waves so I woke up to that. I got up and watched him get some crazy tubes and everything else. Then got up and went for a late walk on the beach.

[00:47:00] It’s a pretty organic sort of process, but every day I have a series of things I know I need to get through. I just put my hand up to help out more of my old surf club that helped me out for so long.

Guy:

Yeah.

Trevor:

More of a leadership role in there and I’ve got athletes there that I’m helping out and coaches and on the committee and all that sort of stuff. When I’m at home, I take me kids down there and we help that. Healthy eating, swimming as much as they can, surfing as much as they can.

It’s not unusual for me to not be here for …. I go away again for 5 days again next Friday, back to Melbourne to work again and then I come back for a day and then I’m in Fiji for 8 days for a retreat. Then I come straight back off to another trip.

I’m really living a very interesting life, but every single thing that I do is basically the same thing in different forms with different people.

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Stu:

Amazing.

Trevor:

It’s kind of cool because I’m evolving and everyone I work with, we’re becoming great mates. I absolutely love what I do and I feel like I’ve found my centerpiece and I really love it.

Stu:

Fantastic.

Guy:

Another question for you.

Trevor:

Yes.

Guy:

What are your non-negotiable practices? For your days, for your week.

Trevor:

Healthy eating.

Guy:

Yes.

Trevor:

It’s not a …. I don’t have to try hard to do it any more. I occasionally get that chocolate [inaudible 00:48:14] they come out with something new and I’m like “I haven’t tried that yet.” There’s occasionally that thing that draws me in, but I think healthy eating is one thing that … It’s non-negotiable in the sense that I just wouldn’t do otherwise, just the impact on my life.

0:49:00] I don’t say that eating is anywhere near my number one fuel. I don’t say that at all. I think my inspiration and my state of awareness is my number one fuel. That fuel … It’s like my old chiropractor explained it to me recently, who I started working with again after many many years. He started this awakening process and we’re working really heavily on alkalizing, alkalizing my body. I eat Paleo basically and I’m combining that with a real alkalizing mindset. He basically said “Look, it’s like you’re going out and doing all these incredible things but there are other levels that we can detox your body.”

It’s like the battery on your mobile phone. When you go out … You can go out for a certain period of time clean and everything else the battery lasts a little bit longer, but if the battery has to work to get the signal, if you’re a bit out of reception and everything else then it runs down a little bit quicker. If I can keep the spiritual stuff really clear, no problems at all, I go for a long time but when I have to draw on the battery, when things are a bit challenging it depends how clean and clear that body and that space is. I’ve been alkalizing heavily, morning and night, magnesium and grains and different things and constantly changing them up, for about 12 weeks now and spitting out stuff and detoxing.
[00:50:00] It’s been crazy and I was actually healthy. You look at me and go “Oh, wow this guy’s got a natural diet and everything else.” This level of wellness, of real health has just been amazing. On the last 5-day trip I was going day in and day out and that battery …. I came home and had the alkalizing and everything else and it just keeps it topped up.

Guy:

Right.

Trevor:

It just keeps it [inaudible 00:50:18] pretty clearly. That’s a non-negotiable for me at the moment. I say it like this “When the battery is strong, the reception is stronger.”

Guy:

Yeah.

Stu:

Yeah.

Trevor:

I’m getting all the crap off. You can’t really [inaudible 00:50:31] with a really crusty antennae as well.

I’m getting clearer messages and clearer understanding of what to do because what I’m doing is quite challenging. It’s [inaudible 00:50:45] organizations and people and situations and the way of thinking that sometimes they’ve asked me to help with but they don’t want to let it go.

Guy:

Yeah.

Trevor:

It can be “Whoa, hey dude.” Let’s work with this. Let’s come through this and sometimes that inner thing just wants to hold on to that desperation and old ego.

I still need those things to keep me humming along, so that’s one thing. The other one is probably the little practices that I do, like little Chi Gongs and things like that. It’s not the number one energy, once again, my awareness is. I’m always doing little processes [inaudible 00:51:23] pick up. I always clear anything that has me feel a little bit down.

Guy:

Could you explain Chi Gong as well for everyone?

Trevor:

Chi Gong … One of the ones that most people know very well and see a lot of is Tai Chi. It’s a version of Chi Gong. Chi means life force, the life force is derived from our thinking or ourselves. It’s the life force that is actually that emanation that sits inside of us. Chi is life force and Gong is the practice or confirmation of, so Chi Gong is the practice or confirmation of life force.

We could say …. And just allow the viewpoint as we said before that all the things we’re chasing aren’t going to fix …. Yes, we need some money. We need a little bit time. We need a little bit of all these things. You don’t just stop and sit on the mountain top and meditate. You take responsibility for how you’re going to create that, what mindset so I can let go of to enjoy my work more and maybe even build a business on the side when I get a bit more energy. [inaudible 00:52:30] 3 or 4 percent of your energy and put it into something else, invest it into a better way of thinking until we can come out of our survival mode.

Guy:

Yeah.

Trevor:

[00:53:00] It’s not like you just flip from one over the to the other. When we do that … Practices like Chi Gong, taps us back into that life force and while you’re doing it, it’s literally like … If you feel the emanation when you get into it …. Anything that’s thoughts and junky, polluted sort of vibration and everything it just starts to lift off you. You literally have these awakenings in the middle of doing it.

One of my favorite ones, people can search it on Youtube, it’s Ba Dua Jin. Families all around the world do their own version of it. It’s eight movements, eight times with a great beautiful breath in and out each time. It actually runs from the top down to the bottom. It was shown to me by a healer many years ago, who had just come across it. It’s been one of the most helpful, stabilizing things I’ve ever done.

I get into a situation, I haven’t go the mental energy to see what I’ve got to fix, I’ll just do the Ba Dua Jin and I’m “Ah.” And it becomes clear again.
[00:54:00] It’s like, if lifting weights is way on this end of the scale and meditation is way over this end of the scale. They both help you develop. One gets you a bit stronger and helps your body. One actually helps you let got of a lot of junk. Probably sitting right in the middle somewhere is something like a yoga. It sits right in the middle. Over here, between yoga and … You’ve got running and swimming and then you’ve got stretching and then yoga and then we work our way further over and we start to get into the Chi Gongs, the Ba Dua Jins and the Tai Chis and then arrive at meditation, which feels like you’re doing nothing. This one you’re shoving everything around with giant weights, this one you’re doing nothing. They both develop [inaudible 00:54:21] level. I would suggest that most of the world is addicted to this side over here. They’re just pushing weights all the time, because we think we have to force our way. As we open up to this other stuff and introduce [inaudible 00:54:31] practicing and cultivating life force within and just noticing it.
[00:55:00] If you grew an herb garden and as soon as the sprouts came up you went “Beauty! Look at that. We don’t need to touch it anymore.” Six weeks later and there’d be weeds all over it and everything else. We need to make sure it goes in the sun. We need to pour a bit of water on it and when the weeds come up we need to pull those out as well.

That’s the way I view your life force. When it starts to show through; a bit of joy, a bit of enthusiasm, a bit of clarity, a bit of peace, a bit of [inaudible 00:55:09]. When it comes through, water it with some daily practices, so some things, spend some time on your on. Have a slow walk with your partner. Do some things that water that garden and pull the weeds out, pull the thoughts out, detox the body. Get some help. Wake up to these things and know that it’s a bit of slow going sometimes to wake up fully, but the end result is that you end up where you want to end up rather than still chasing it for ever and ever.

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Guy:

Yeah. Fantastic. Can you repeat that last practice again? Is it something you could easily fit in to one’s day if some people are listening to this.

Trevor:

Take that one as a simple one. It’s called Ba Dua Jing. B A

Guy:

Okay. [crosstalk 00:55:53]

Trevor:

[00:56:00] I wrote the program … You know I wrote that program called “The Boot Camp for the Soul” because I literally realized through all this stuff that I’ve talked about that actually, the bit we’re missing that you don’t get taught in school, you don’t get taught in life. In fact, we get scared away from it. Religion scares us away from it. New Age spirituality scares us away from it because it’s like “Oh, serenity, self enlightenment.” All this sort of stuff. Science scares us away from it. That’s all [inaudible 00:56:22] we get scared away from this idea that everything I need is inside of me and that life is one giant boot camp for our soul.

[00:57:00] When you go to boot camp you get up and you do your push ups and you’ve got a group of people around you who push you further than you can on your own. There’s someone barking at you. Coming out of a boot camp you come out much fitter because you’re in an environment that pushes it. Life is like a boot camp for our soul. It’s literally like [inaudible 00:56:55] pain and suffering and getting [inaudible 00:57:13]

I’m putting the Ba Dua Jing in there as well in the “Boot Camp for the Soul” and other practices because it’s like a … It’s a 12-week online course that people can do in their own life. I figured I was trying to help other people constantly, I’m so busy helping other people wake up and it was working, everyone was waking up and I’m like “What about the people I can’t reach?” So I wrote that program to do that because the realization is power is in everybody else anyway. It’s not what I’m saying that’s powerful.

Stu: Yes.

Trevor:

[00:58:00] [inaudible 00:58:25] someone goes “I like what he’s saying. I can relate to this.” The other day I said something to a guy who’s a mathematician and scientist and I said something in a big group tank think about society. I said something to him and he went “Oh my God, what you just said scared the daylights out of me. It goes against everything I believe and everything else, but I was strangely excited and I wanted to understand it [inaudible 00:58:10] Let’s catch up.”

It’s the same [inaudible 00:58:13] have everything we’re chasing but just stop trying to chase it out there, find it in here. Find practices that help you do that. That’s why the Ba Dua Jing is a non-negotiable.

Guy:

Got it. “The Boot Camp for the Soul” that you mentioned, is that something that somebody can sign up for any time.

Trevor:

Yeah. Absolutely. It starts … It’s a 12-week course. It goes through three 4-week phases, 3 weeks of really viewing something and a week of integrating it. Then it goes into the next one. It’s beginner, tap into life and the excitement of being in the moment and letting go of the whole stream of garbage we’re in.

[00:59:00] The second one is actually going a bit deeper and digging up maybe some of the things that anchor us, the grudge we hold against our ex-partner or our dad or our mum who didn’t treat us well or that business partner, when I was at school and I got betrayed or whatever else. We start to view and release some of those things. The second 4 weeks I quite challenging. It’s for people who really want to shift things, but it’s actually very simple. It’s a little process and you wake up with everyone and then you go “Oh, wow I can see what’s happening.”

The third 4 weeks is …. Once you understand what’s available to you, once you’ve cleared out what’s stopping you from accessing it all the time at a spiritual level. There’s a little bit of mind/body in there as well.

Then you go to the last 4 weeks of “What would I do in life if I didn’t have all this stuff? What are the bigger games that are going on? Why do we get dragged into this so much? Hang on, what does waking up really mean?” As you go through the last 4 weeks people send emails to me at the finish and they say “Oh my goodness.” They run off and do these crazy businesses of their own. They do incredible things because there’s a sense of understanding, there’s a purpose sitting inside of us.
[01:00:00] The primary purpose is to awaken and realize we are all connected, that we’re not separate. We’ve got the same stuff. You cannot love or hate something about someone else unless you love or hate it about yourself. We’re reflecting each other. Even if you go “No, I’m not like that person!” When we really slow down and look at them and go “Oh, I am a little bit like that person.” That’s awakening, that simple truth.

When we wake up from that and we see this oneness, the primary purpose is o wake up and to feel that connection and to live it and enjoy it. The secondary purpose is to actually put that in to something and to create something for people and to share, whether it’s your family, whether it’s the way you do your dishes, come home and do the dishes for the wife. That’s been her job for a while, come and take it over. “Oh what have I been doing? It’s my job from now on. You go for a walk. Hang out with your girlfriends.” Or vice versa. It doesn’t matter who’s wearing the pants in the family, help everybody relax.

[01:01:00] That’s what it’s about. It can be accessed online. It starts every … A person when they register, they can read through it and listen to the whole lot. It’s on soulbootcamp.trevorhendy.com or just trevorhendy.com and you’ll see big thing of me with my hands in the water. Go and have a look at it. Basically when you register, as long as you register before 6:00 PM on a Saturday, it starts …. The Sunday afterward you get a preview and then [inaudible 01:01:16] it goes [inaudible 01:01:20] but it gives you something to think about for the day. [inaudible 01:01:25]it’s got audio files as well so you can listen to it.

It’s very much … My work is like [inaudible 01:01:32] the closest thing it’s to is probably [inaudible 01:01:34] work which is awakening, being in the moment and letting go and everything else. I’m probably more a little bit in the middle ground because I’m still coming through it myself. I’m still teaching others more about the process of comign through it. Rather than relying on some satori, let’s work our way through so that we can create our satoris from that flow.
[01:02:00] That’s the style of [inaudible 01:01:56] it is about freedom. It’s about having your own power. It’s not about what I say, it’s about what it sparks inside. Sometimes the sparks up “Oh thank you!” Sometimes the spark is “Whoa! What is he talking about?” [inaudible 01:02:09] because that thing might be the very thing that is holding you back.

Guy:

Well, we’ll link to [inaudible 01:02:14] as well. It sounds fantastic Trevor. It sounds like it needs to be a book as well. I don’t know if you have, but … [crosstalk 01:02:21]

Trevor:

[01:03:00] I’ve got sort of 3 books that are being written in my head at the moment and one of them, funnily enough, is about … I’ve had these crazy, crazy experiences in life where I’ve literally ridden on the back of whales. I’ve ridden dolphins. I’ve had dolphins circling me making love. I’ve had birds come and land on my shoulder. I’ve had … Since I’ve gone through this awakening 20 years ago or so, and even though I’ve been on an journey to be more responsible and clear in myself and get rid of any layers of ego that I can find, I’ve had these crazy, crazy experiences where nature just comes in. Incredible … I’ve picked up fish out of the water. I’ve had amazing experiences with nature. It sounds so like “Whoa.” But at some stage that’s the book I want to write. I want to write a parable and a fable about these experiences because they’re real. We are connected to nature. We are connected to all those things. The busier we are, the more we shut off that connection. In shutting off to that, we’re shutting off to a greater divine part of ourselves, aspect of ourselves that is here to do something amazing while we’re here. We have to get through the junk first.

Funnily enough, that’s the first one I want to write. I wonder how it will be received. I’m going to have to write it as a fable or a parable because it’s kind of out of world some of the experiences I’ve had without trying, just on the days [inaudible 01:03:45] and you get a little signal and it’s pretty crazy what happens.

Guy:

Awesome. Awesome. We’re coming to the end of the show. We have a question that we ask every guest.

Trevor:

Okay.

Guy:

Brace yourself. What’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever been given?

Trevor:

Wow. [inaudible 01:04:07] down to so many things. I’d say it’s a saying. There’s two that come to mind so I’ll give you both. One I said before, I think I kind of said before, one is that “You can only be taken out by what you cannot see.” We can only be affected [inaudible 01:04:27] made to feel small, alone, separate, isolated, struggling by something that occurred, energetically, by something that we can’t see.

Now if we stop and view and slow down and go from our seeing into our feeling, we begin to intuit, we pick up what just happened. We begin to know “Ah, that just happened. Oh wow, that person said ‘Hello, good to see you”, but what they really meant was ‘Oh you again’.”

[01:05:00] You start to feel the energy that transpires. That’s one that’s made a massive difference to me because whenever I feel anyway down or [inaudible 01:05:01] I missed something and I slow down, I stop trying to move forward. I stop and it’s like “Ah, there it is. And I realize that I’m free again.

[01:06:00] The one I really love is “When you have a solution to a problem without a change of awareness, that solution eventually becomes the problem.” I think that’s the greatest piece of advice or greatest thing I’ve ever been given because what it means is … I’m a mad beautiful fan of Lord Howe Island. It’s one of the most crazy places in the world, 600 kilometers off New South Wales coast. It’s no mobile phones out there, it’s an incredible group of people who live out there. Amazing place to visit. Rats got out of the ships and went all over the island. What they did was they went “Okay, well we’ll introduce owls.” Because owls love to eat rats. They introduced owls onto the island, beautiful owls and the owls were actually starting to eat the rats. Then, when the owls would hoot they’d notice that the wood hens, which only exist in the whole world on Lord Howe Island, when the owls would hoot the wood hens would go “Aah” and let them know where they were and so the wood hens would come out of the bushes and the owls would swoop down and go “Bugger eating the rats, I can eat the wood hens.”

Without an understanding or an awareness shift around what created the problem in the first place, the solution was to introduce something else. That went, within a dozen or so wood hens, of wiping out the only wood hen population in the world. They’re a cousin to the kiwi and they’re a fascinating and beautiful little flightless bird, it’s incredible.

The locals realized it and then they eliminated all the owls to take nature back to where it was in the first place and looked at different ways of dealing with the rats. Then of course they got the wood hen population back. Now how many times have we seen that with rabbits and myxomatosis and …

Stu:

Yes. [inaudible 01:06:56]

Trevor:

… because we’re so intelligent and we’re men. We’re amazing. Now we’ve got mobile phones that take everything from our computer that we can tap in to while we’re away. It brings it to our hands. Now one of the greatest problems in the world is second screen syndrome. We were already not present when we were getting absorbed by the television. Now we’ve got the TV on and we’re watching the mobile while we’re watching the TV in the background, now we’re absorbed by two different streams of almost unconsciousness.

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Stu:

That’s so true.

Trevor:

[01:08:00] [inaudible 01:08:05] going deeper in to it. We want to be more connected. The solution to that is actually use technology to connect us more, but we haven’t got the awareness, we used to be more connected. You have to get rid of your reliance on things outside of yourself and then connection comes naturally, then you can have the mobile phone, the computer and everything else and it’s just a beautiful gift on top of it. It doesn’t provide you with the connection. the connection is actually the deeper aspect of yourself. With the awareness shift, connection comes from being open and alive and speaking some truth.

Stu:

Yeah.

Trevor:

Without, it comes from being able to do my emails in the car. Then what happens? I can answer more emails, get more work done and my wife says “I never see you, you’re never present, you’re never with us.”

Stu:

That’s right.

Trevor:

We’re losing everything that we’re trying to get. The solution becomes the next problem without an awareness shift.

Stu:

No, you’re right and when you’re reading emails in the car when you’re driving you’re probably easing your lunch at the same time as well.

Trevor:

That’s write and clicking to return that text as well at the same time.

Guy:

Constantly distracted.

Stu:

What are we doing? What are we doing?

Trevor:

[01:09:00] Obviously … For a great reason we’re saying “It’s such a huge problem, people on their phones in their cars.” We’re underestimating the problem, people on their phones anywhere is an issue. It’s created danger in the car, but it’s creating missed opportunities [inaudible 01:08:54] we’re not with the person we’re sitting next to, which is I suggest is the actual essence of the whole journey.

Guy:

I know. It’s funny … I live in Lennox Heads now. A beautiful part of the world. The amount of people I see standing on the beach line looking at their phone and not looking at the horizon [crosstalk 01:09:16] “Guys, you know, you’re missing the point.” Not everyone, but it’s duty there for sure.

Awesome.

Sorry Trev. Look for the rest of the listeners, best place if they want to learn more about you is trevorhendy.com? Is that correct?

Trevor:

[01:10:00] Yeah trevorhendy.com and boot camp for the soul is on soulbootcamp.trevorhendy.com. I put some interesting blogs and things on there for people just to access and tap into some videos. I go through periods like the last 4 or 5 months where I haven’t put much on because I’m not [inaudible 01:09:51] dependent on that side of things. I get inspired, I share it with as many people as I can but I tend to not hook into it so much. It’s a really beautiful … I’ve kind of created a little site that gives some different thought, some food for thought, even potentially some food for not thinking. I just want to share what I’ve learned.

I’ve got my own challenges in life and [inaudible 01:10:17] what I understand into play in the world like everybody else. I believe that the world would be a lot better place if we came back to our sense of our self and shared our ideas and our solutions from that place rather than down into the competition area.

Guy:

Absolutely. Trevor, thank you so much for coming on the show. Your time is greatly appreciated and I’m sure everyone is going to benefit from listening to that today.

Trevor:

Thanks guys, really appreciate it. Thank you.

Guy:

You’re welcome.

Stu:

Thanks again mate. Take care.

Guy:

Bye, bye.

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