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Stu
This week, I’m excited to welcome Trina Felder to the podcast. After more than 25 years as a registered nurse, Trina turned her attention to oral health. She’s the creator and CEO of Primal Life Organics, a premiere all natural dental care company that focuses on oral health. As the gateway to internal health. In this conversation, we discussed the oral microbiome. We debunk common myths related to our oral hygiene, discuss tooth whitening systems and so much more.
(00:38)
Hey guys, this is Stu from 180 nutrition, and I am delight to welcome Trina Felber to the podcast. Trina, how are you?
Trina
(00:45)
I’m awesome. Stewart. How are you?
Stu
(00:47)
Very well. Yeah, very well. Thank you again for connecting this morning, because I’m really keen to dig into some of the information that I’m sure you will share with us. But first up for all of those that may not be familiar with you or your work. I’d love it if you could just tell us a little bit about yourself, please.
Trina
(01:04)
Absolutely. My background is in nursing. I’ve been a nurse, I hate to say this, it feels like forever. It’s been over 35 years. Well… [crosstalk 00:01:16].
(01:16)
Yeah, the past two, let’s see the past 14 years has been in anesthesia. I’m a nurse anesthetist, so I have a master’s in anesthesia and, but I don’t work as much now, obviously. I have my company that I run and that’s my main focus, but how I do my nursing now is literally through my company.
Stu
(01:35)
Right.
Trina
(01:35)
Because I, the way I produce my products and create my products, manufacture them, that we do them all by hand. I formulate everything and I do it so that I put my nursing care into all of it. So that whatever’s going on inside your body, it’s going to work with it to heal it. It’s not going to create more inflammation.
Stu
(01:52)
Yeah.
Trina
(01:53)
Or it’s not going to disrupt your hormones or cause all the problems that lead to the bad health stuff, I’m trying to avoid all of that. So that’s kind of it in a nutshell.
Stu
(02:04)
Fantastic. Well, very keen then to get into, I guess my first topic is oral microbiome, because I recently listened to a podcast where you were discussing about the merits of nurturing, cultivating a robust oral microbiome. And many people may not have considered the oral microbiome more focused on the gut. Why should we be concerned about the oral microbiome?
Trina
(02:32)
Well, let me ask you this. Where do you think your gut starts?
Stu
(02:35)
In the mouth.
Trina
(02:37)
Yeah, right.
Stu
(02:38)
Yeah.
Trina
(02:40)
And if we’re missing it and we’re, if we have a bad microbiome inside your mouth, then you’ve literally just missed the first 12 or 14 inches of your gut.
Stu
(02:47)
Yeah.
Trina
(02:47)
Cause your gut, I mean that tube, I always say it goes from tongue to tail.
Stu
(02:52)
Yeah.
Trina
(02:53)
Is outside your body. And it really that bacteria, if you think about that, bacteria is the good bacteria. It’s either good or bad. And if it’s good, it’s helping to prevent the leaky gut syndrome, leaky gum syndrome. It’s helping to prevent bad stuff from getting in. If it’s bad bacteria, then it’s creating inflammation. And that inflammation is either in your gut.
Stu
(03:17)
Yeah.
Trina
(03:17)
Causing leaky gut or in your mouth. That’s the main reason your gut starts inside your mouth. And if we’re not paying attention, one of the signs that you’re you have that dysbiosis or that imbalance in your gut, the signs are diarrhea-
Stu
(03:31)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Trina
(03:31)
…can be, constipation can be, it can be just stomach upset-
Stu
(03:36)
Yep.
Trina
(03:36)
…things like that inside your mouth, really the first or sign that you have an imbalance. It’s super easy. We think this is supposed to happen and we’re supposed to have bad breath. But if you have bad breath, that’s not good.
Stu
(03:47)
Right.
Trina
(03:47)
That’s not normal. And you shouldn’t have bad breath. So if you have bad breath, it means that there’s an imbalance in the good and the bad and the bad is winning. And if you don’t take control of it, then you’re on the path. You’re going down that road for cavities and gum disease, which ultimately leads to the leaky gums. And then the inflammation or the bad bacteria, getting down into your tooth, your gums, your bone inside your jaw, ultimately spreading throughout your body. That’s why dental health has been linked to heart disease. There’s a direct link to heart disease, if you have the wrong bacteria inside your mouth. Thyroid health has been linked to gum disease or bad oral health, infertility for both men and women has also been directly linked. Babies mouth and health is directly related to mom’s mouth and all sorts of things, diabetes, obesity, all of these things even Alzheimer’s has been directly linked to dental health.
Stu
(04:47)
My word, well I’ve got 1,000,001 questions. The first I think would be, is mouthwash the answer then?
Trina
(04:58)
Mouthwash needs to be thrown out.
Stu
(05:00)
Right.
Trina
(05:00)
Mouth wash is the wrong answer.
Stu
(05:03)
Yes.
Trina
(05:04)
The reason it’s the wrong answer is because it kills not just your bad bacteria, but it’s overkill. It kills the good stuff too.
Stu
(05:14)
Right.
Trina
(05:15)
It’s like taking Stewart. Have you ever taken any antibiotic?
Stu
(05:19)
Many years ago. Yes.
Trina
(05:20)
Okay. Most people that have been over the age of 30 have at least taken it taken once. Actually most people even younger because they give it to kids now so frequently.
Stu
(05:30)
Yeah.
Trina
(05:30)
I’ve taken antibiotics. And when you take an antibiotic, it kills your good and your bad. So sometimes you end up with those things that I was talking about, the gut dysbiosis, meaning you end up with diarrhea, constipation, just stomach aches and things like that. And you take probiotics to kind of get your gut back on track or you take kombucha or those things, the fermented foods. And you try and get your gut microbiome healthy again. When you’re doing mouthwash or brushing, this includes brushing with things that have bad, like [inaudible 00:06:02]-
Trina
(06:01)
Yep.
Stu
(06:02)
…in it has alcohol in it. It’s brushing your teeth or your mouth with an antibiotic twice a day for life.
Stu
(06:11)
It’s the exact same thing. It’s wiping out the good bacteria. It’s actually caustic your gums or it’s. Those types of ingredients are harsh on your gum tissue. So it can lead to gum disease. It can lead to gum recession. Then you’ve got the roots of your teeth, more exposed. You have the pockets of your gums pulling away from the roots. And then the bacteria gets down inside there creates that plaque to protect it. And then it furrows deeper, and causes that inflammation into your gum tissue. So mouthwash isn’t the answer because it’s actually going to create more of the bad stuff, more acid and more bad bacteria inside your mouth. The better answer is to change, not just your mouthwash, but change what you’re brushing with, but the mouthwash.
(06:56):
If you want something for the bacteria and gum health, I suggest going with an oil base or an olive oil base and it’s more of a dropper. It’s not really of a rinse. And you put, mixed with essential oil. So I create one for primal life organics. It’s called my dirty mouth gum serum.
Trina
(07:17)
Yeah.
Stu
(07:17)
It’s a blend of olive oil and essential oils. And you rub it right on your gums. When you think about olive oil as the anti-inflammatory, it has ingredients in it. That’s going to help tissue either heal or regenerate. And that’s what you want to happen. You don’t want the inflammation. And then the essential oils are going to help reduce inflammation, increase blood flow, clean up the bad bacteria and get you healing. When you’re healing, then you’re going to see a decrease in that bad breath. And you won’t even need like the mouthwash. You won’t need the gums and the breath mins and things like that.
(07:52):
Okay. Fascinating. So does that lend some credence to oil pulling that traditional swishing of coconut oil and spitting it out after 20 minutes, et cetera. There is some science, to support that.
Trina
(08:06)
Coconut oil. Yeah. The oil pullings. Awesome.
Stu
(08:09)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Trina
(08:11)
It’s a great practice, Ayurvedic practice. It’s meant to, like you said, help heal gum tissue, help whiten your teeth and help get rid of toxins in your mouth. That’s the main reason people do it. The problem with it Stewart is that you have to do it for 20 minutes-
Stu
(08:26)
Yeah.
Trina
(08:27)
…or you’re not really getting the benefit.
Stu
(08:28)
That’s no ideal.
Trina
(08:30)
Most people don’t want to do it. I don’t blame them.
Stu
(08:32)
Yeah.
Trina
(08:33)
So here’s the thing. If you’re going to, there’s a better system and solution out there than it takes two minutes.
Stu
(08:41)
Right.
Trina
(08:41)
And it does the same thing. And all you have to do is switch what you’re brushing your teeth with and you will get the 20 minute oil pulling effect with much, much more benefit.
Stu
(08:52)
Yeah.
Trina
(08:52)
And that would be using clay based powders or paste, tooth powders or toothpaste, getting rid of the stuff that has the toxic chemicals in them.
(09:01)
I was just doing Instagram live. And I was talking about the eight endocrine disruptors in toothpaste. And this is just toothpaste.
(09:11)
I’m not even talking about skincare.
Stu
(09:13)
Yeah.
Trina
(09:13)
There were, there are eight endocrine disruptors in toothpaste alone, but clay based toothpaste. So I make a pace and a powder for dirty for Primal Life. It’s called dirty mouth toothpaste or dirty mouth tooth powder. And it’s a blend of three different clays. And the clay itself, just like the oil pulling. Clay has such a high affinity. It’s a ionic bond. So if you remember anything from science, if there’s an ionic bond, it means it’s super strong. It’s very difficult once something is bond ionically to pull that apart. So clay has a negative charge and toxins in your gum tissue, in your teeth and your mouth have a positive charge. And when they, when clay attaches to a toxin, it doesn’t let go.
(10:01):
And what it does is it pulls it out and then you spit it out or you eliminate it. People do toxic or clay, oral clay detoxes they’ll drink clay.
Stu
(10:13):
Yeah.
Trina
(10:13):
Same type of thing. But brushing with it is going to pull toxins out. It’s going to remove the surface stains. It’s going to be more alkaline. So it’s going to support your good bacteria inside your mouth and it’s going to help to whiten your teeth. But it’s also rich in minerals. So it’s going to put the minerals back in your teeth, making them whiter and stronger. So the enamel can actually get thicker and thicker. I was just telling someone recently that if someone this is how important dental health is. If someone smiles at me and I’m in tune to this, I can pretty much tell if they’re healthy or not by the condition of their teeth and their gums. If their teeth are dingy and yellow or stained.
Stu
(10:51):
Yeah.
Trina
(10:52):
Then I can tell that there’s probably some inflammatory things going on inside and the same thing with their gum tissue.
Stu
(10:59)
Oh my word. Well, I
(11:00)
I wouldn’t want to go out to lunch with you. It’d be like sitting down with a psychologist. They’re reading you. So, ideal oral health routine. So what I do… So at the moment I have this little flossing tool and I get rid of any particles of food.
(11:20)
I use a medium toothbrush, and a toothpaste that’s reasonably natural. Free of SLS and fluoride and all other the nasties. And that’s about all I do. I brush for a couple of minutes twice a day. What could I do to take that to the next level?
Trina
(11:44)
It’s super easy. It really is easy. And actually, I’ll show you the kit that I put together. Just so your audience can take a look at it. And in the kit that I put together, it walks you through my dental health program.
Stu
(11:56)
Right.
Trina
(11:56)
The nice thing to know is that you’re not adding anything to your day.
Stu
(12:00)
Right.
Trina
(12:01)
So I’m not really increasing the amount of time you do anything or, adding anything to your day. There might be one or two things that you might not have done before, but those things take 10 seconds.
Stu
(12:10)
Yeah.
Trina
(12:10)
So you’re really just flipping out what you’re using and using something that’s going to be more effective, meaning that it’s going to prevent plaque buildup. It’s going protect your teeth with the right bacteria, with the right minerals.
Stu
(12:25)
Yeah.
Trina
(12:26)
It’s going to be alkaline so those minerals can go in your teeth and it’s also going to help to heal your gum tissue.
Stu
(12:32)
Sure.
Trina
(12:32)
So what I put together, and this is super simple to use. I don’t know if you guys can see it, it’s called by Dental Detox Kit Box and you get everything you need in it. Most of the things in here are a 60-day supply, but the toothbrush can last obviously three months and then the tongue scraper is can last you a lifetime if you take care of it right. But as far as your routine goes, brushing with the right product is so important because if it doesn’t have the minerals in it and it’s not alkaline, you’re not going to be supporting your dental health the way it should be. You’re going to be cleaning your teeth. You might be over-cleaning or under-cleaning, depending on what’s in it.
Stu
(13:16):
Yeah.
Trina
(13:16)
But you’re not going to be replacing the minerals. You’re not going to be killing the bad bacteria and supporting gum tissue by detoxification. So the way that I built my system is off of the research of Dr. Weston A. Price. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with him.
Stu
(13:31)
Yes. Yep.
Trina
(13:33)
Yeah. A lot of people are. But I used his research for dental health. He was so before his time, and he found the connection between sugar and plaque and realized that if we eliminated sugar, we can eliminate plaque and eliminate cavities and increase health. And unfortunately the ADA completely decided to go the other direction to promote plaque buildup so that they could obviously increase businesses for their dentists.
Stu
(14:00)
Yeah.
Trina
(14:00)
So, my direction that I took with my company is I took his research and I actually formulated my dental care products off of his research. So brushing your teeth in the morning… Let me tell you this, flossing and brushing… People ask me all the time, do I floss first? Do I brush first? And I say the way to remember it is, breakfast is in the morning. So you want to brush first…
Stu
(14:23)
Okay.
Trina
(14:23)
And then floss. And then at night you flip it. You floss first and then brush. So, the reason for that is at night or in the morning, you’re going to brush away the gunk your mouth has been detoxing, the bacteria has been building up. You want to brush that away. You don’t want to push that deeper into your gum tissue,
Stu
(14:47)
Right. Okay.
Trina
(14:47)
So you’re going to brush it and get rid of it. And then you can floss. And if you’re using the right products, like my tooth powder, it’s going to be alkaline, it’s going to have minerals. You don’t rinse your mouth. You just spit and then you use your floss and floss. And what you’re wanting to do is get some of that paste or powder in between your teeth to help rebalance the microbiome there and detox the tissue and get rid of any of the acids and anything that’s built up overnight through there.
(15:21)
So you want to brush first, floss second. And then you can do the tongue scraping. Tongue scraping is extremely important because it helps to remove that coating on the tongue, which is really a biofilm. And that biofilm just breeds and breeds and breeds. And what it’s off-gassing is acid. That acid then creates that bad breath. And it creates more bad bacteria that eat at your gum tissue and eat away at your enamel. So if you scrape that off, you’re going to get rid of it and you’re going to have better breath. And you’re going to have less of that acid build up and you’re going to have stronger, healthier teeth and better gums in the long run. So using the copper tongue scraper, it’s simple, it’s like three little wipes and it takes less than 10 seconds. And then the gum serum, like I was talking about earlier, you just put the gum serum right on your finger and rub it right on your gums.
(16:13)
Doesn’t take long at all. It replaces the mouthwash. You don’t need mouthwash and that’s simply it. And then in the kit, you also do get a bamboo toothbrush. It’s made with bamboo and there’s charcoal that’s infused into the bristles themselves so that it can help to detox or clear out bacteria while you’re brushing on your gums and your teeth. And then I throw in a detoxing deodorant because many people have tried natural deodorants and they can’t get them to work. And the way that I formulated mine, it works extremely well for almost all people, because nothing works for everyone. But for so many people that have struggled with natural deodorant, the way that I formulate it, it works extremely well at helping to reduce the amount that you sweat without being an antiperspirant. And it also helps to cleanse the tissues, but also to kill the bacteria. So I throw that in there because I really want people to ditch antiperspirants and deodorants that are toxic.
Stu
(17:13)
Fantastic. I am sold. I want one of those kits right now and I’ll go into the bathroom now and just whimper as I look at my oral health routine as well. Had a question about toothbrushes though, because people… Obviously you can go into the supermarkets and you can buy your soft and your medium and hard. And many people may think I just need to brush my mouth as hard as I can. I get the hardest brush, just get rid of everything that’s in there. I’m doing the right thing. What are your thoughts on that?
Trina
(17:43)
One of the main main causes of gum recession is using the wrong toothbrush and brushing too hard.
Stu
(17:52)
Right.
Trina
(17:52)
So you should only use a soft toothbrush no matter what. I don’t care what’s going on inside your mouth. Soft is it. That’s the only bristle that I make. I don’t make anything firm, medium, anything. It’s all soft, and you want to brush up and down, not side to side, and with light, light pressure. Think of it more as a massage and not a scrubbing.
(18:17)
In fact, I’m coming out with, in a couple weeks, probably two weeks, we’re going to be releasing our, it’s our Bamboo Sonic Toothbrush, and studies have shown that using a Sonic Toothbrush helps reduce that gum recession because it takes away that need to scrub your teeth. And instead you do more of that massaging motion because the toothbrush actually does all the work for you. You just have to kind of move it from tooth to tooth. So my bamboo toothbrush is going to have a biodegradable bamboo brush head. That’s what gets replaced so that when you throw that away, it biodegrades. I think it’s six to eight months. It biodegrades in the landfill, as opposed to 400 years.
Stu
(18:59)
Yeah.
Trina
(18:59)
It takes 400 years for a plastic toothbrush to biodegrade.
Stu
(19:05)
Yeah. That’s why we see them on the beaches of all these tropical locations when we go on holiday.
Trina
(19:09)
Yeah. Yeah.
Stu
(19:10)
Yeah.
Trina
(19:10)
The poor wildlife and marine life are just polluted.
Stu
(19:14)
Yeah, absolutely. So that brings me then on to the next topic, which is tooth whitening. So we’re doing everything that we can to support our oral health. And we are flossing and brushing and gargling and spitting and whatever it may be. But perhaps we’re a heavy coffee drinker or into our red wines or anything that contains tannins or chemicals that may stain our teeth. How concerned are you about teeth whitening products on the market today, which perhaps contain lots of harsh bleaching agents that require you to put devices in your mouth for hours on end? What are your thoughts on that?
Trina
(19:58)
My thoughts were that it’s so toxic that I need to create my own, so, that’s what I did. Because, peroxide itself is damaging to the enamel, it’s damaging to your microbiome and it’s damaging to your gum tissue. And the way that peroxide whitens your teeth… Let me see if I have my little prop here. So if this is your tooth and your enamel. This is your enamel. So your enamel can be stained and most stains on the enamel can be removed pretty easily just by using the charcoal or the clay-based tooth powders that come in my kit. That is pretty easy. Surface stain is pretty easy to remove. When people have dingy teeth that they can’t get cleaned by just brushing with something like that…
Stu
(20:49)
Yeah.
Trina
(20:50)
That means that the enamel is getting thinner and thinner. And when your enamel gets thinner, the layer beneath it is the dentin. And that’s what you see here pictured as blue. And it’s really pretty… It’s either blueish, grayish or yellowish and color. And so when your enamel gets really thin, you start to see this color come through. That can’t be brushed off. That can’t be removed by peroxide. So how peroxide cleans and whitens your teeth is that it pulls the fluid. I call it dehydrating your dentin. It dehydrates that fluid from inside the tooth. The less fluid in there, the more opaque or clear it looks, which is why your tooth looks whiter. What you’ve actually done is weakened the structure of your tooth. It hurts when you do peroxide because your nerves are right there inside that dentin. And as soon as the peroxide seeps into it, you start to get that feeling of pain because it’s caustic to your nerves. So peroxide isn’t the answer for whitening your teeth. Anyone that has as mercury fillings, the amalgam fillings in their mouth, shouldn’t
(22:00)
Shouldn’t use peroxide anyway, because it causes the mercury, or the silver mercury filling, to vaporize. There’s actually on YouTube, if you search for the vaporizing tooth, they show you what peroxide does to mercury and when it’s vaporizing, you’re actually inhaling it and it’s becoming ingested into your body.
(22:22)
So the better solution for me, when I was looking at teeth whitening systems, because everyone wants to have whiter teeth. You tie your smile directly to your confidence and it’s been proven through studies that if someone is smiling and they’re confident, they get better jobs or have better job promotions. They get promoted. They are looked at as a leader, as confident and in someone that doesn’t have a good smile, or a healthy smile, is looked at, even if they’re not conscious of it, as someone that’s not as healthy, not as deserving of promotions and things like that. They have proven that. They’ve done some research on that.
(23:06)
So whiten your teeth, the way that you really want to long-term without reducing the structure of it, is really by rebuilding the enamel because your enamel’s the whitest part. You don’t want to be able to see the dentin through there. So what I did was I created a gel that goes with my teeth whitening system. I’ll talk about… I’ll show you that in a second, but the gel is peroxide-free and it contains olive oil as a base. Olive oil is going to be very gentle on the gums. It’s going to be detoxing for the gum tissue, but it’s also going to have new trans to help it heal. It has essential oils that help whiten the tooth and help with blood flow and detoxification, but it also contains two different clays in it. For the same reason that you want to brush with the clay, the clay is while you’re sitting with the gel on your teeth in the mouthpiece, it has longer time for those minerals to put back and lay down the foundation of your enamel and make it thicker and thicker.
(24:04)
It’s not an instant white like peroxide can be. It will remove the surface stains very quickly, but it’s rebuilding the enamel. That’s going to take a little bit of time, but long-term effects of that are going to be huge for your smile and the condition of your teeth.
(24:20)
The device itself, this is what it looks like. It’s a mouthpiece and when I turn it on, you’ll see blue light and red light. This is a setting that has both red and blue, and I wanted to do something that was going to help with reducing the bad bacteria and helps speed healing of the gum tissue, knowing that if your gums aren’t healthy, then that’s a [inaudible 00:24:45] point of entry for bacteria and inflammation to get into your body.
(24:49)
So by doing light therapy inside the mouth, the blue light helps to kill the bad bacteria. It has been shown in studies that blue light kills bad bacteria because it’s got a certain proponent to it, that blue light affects and destroys. So the nice thing about light is that not only does it affect the surface, but it can penetrate a little bit into the tissue. So if there’s bacteria, or pockets, it’s possible that the light can penetrate and kill the bacteria deeper into the tissue or into the pockets between the teeth and the gums.
(25:22)
The red light helps to increase blood flow. Anytime you can increase blood flow, you increase the nutrients that can heal the gums on the inside. You increase the detoxification of toxins out of the body. It also will help reduce inflammation and then it also can help spark collagen production. You have collagen in your gum tissue and the bone tissue beneath it.
(25:48)
So the red light and the blue light work together and they worked with the gel to whiten your teeth, but also change that whole component inside your mouth. Give the bacteria, the good bacteria, the ability to thrive, killing the bad bacteria, and then helping with the gum tissue.
Stu
(26:04)
How long would you use that device for?
Trina
(26:06)
So this is easy. You use it for 15 minutes. It’s got a timer. You turn it on. It’ll shut off after 15 minutes. I recommend when you buy this, it comes in a kit. It has a syringe for 20 treatments. So you’ll have 20 treatments; five treatments a week for a month. So five days a week, you’ll do a 15 minute treatment, first month.
(26:28)
After that, this is something you’re going to want to continue to do, because it’s not that peroxide type of treatment. It’s more of a lifestyle type treatment. The biohacking thing. You can’t just biohack today and expect it to work tomorrow. It’s like long-term. You’re in it to win it.
(26:44)
So it’s something that you would do one to two times a week. Some people do it three times a week, for life. If you’re doing red light, just for your gums, you don’t necessarily need to do it for 15 minutes. You can do it for about five minutes. You can use the gel, or you can just use the gum serum that comes in the kit. You can put the gum serum on and pop this in on the red light for five minutes. Most people will do a 15 minute treatment with both the red and the blue lights.
Stu
(27:13)
Fascinating. Wow. You have got oral health covered.
Trina
(27:17)
Well, let me tell you, just because I love you Stewart. If anyone clicks through the links that I’m going to give you their special links, don’t do the website. We need to send them to the links because they’ll get 65% off that the teeth whitening device.
Stu
(27:33)
That’s fantastic. Well, absolutely. We’ll put that information in the show notes as well. Was really, really important for people that want to take steps to improve their oral health. It sounds like you’ve got everything covered, so thank you so much for that. That is-
Trina
(27:48)
You’re welcome.
Stu
(27:49)
Yeah. That’s amazing. So, I had had a question based around remineralization. Now I’ve been hearing lots about the body’s ability to remineralized if given the right raw materials and I’ve been reading about things like vitamin K2 and the fat-soluble nutrients and the effects that it has on the dentin and odontoblast and things like that. And so I thought who better to ask than the expert. Right? So, what are your thoughts on remineralization? Is it a myth?
Trina
(28:23)
Oh, no. It’s totally not a myth. Okay. So if you believe that you can heal a bone. You believe that if a bone fractures that you can heal it?
Stu
(28:31)
Yes.
Trina
(28:32)
Okay. And the reason is because we’ve seen it done, whether you’ve experienced it yourself or not, most people know someone that has had a broken bone, in a cast, and then the cast is removed and they can walk on their bone. Even people we’ve seen that have bone sticking out of them, then walk again. Right?
(28:50)
So if you believe that you can heal a bone, you should believe that you can heal your teeth or remineralize your teeth because it’s the exact same process. The difference is the environment that your bone is in is different than your mouth. Your enamel on your teeth is actually stronger than, if you will, the enamel in your bone, it’s really just mineral content. It’s actually stronger. Your enamel is stronger than bone and it’s because the enamel is exposed to acidic conditions.
(29:24)
Almost everything we eat and drink is acidic by nature. If you’re buying toothpaste and mouthwash off the shelf, it’s acidic by nature. And anytime it’s acidic, it wears away at your gum tissue and your enamel. That’s the reason why I’m like don’t buy off the shelf and make sure you know what you’re getting, because otherwise you’re buying something that’s destroying your dental health.
(29:50)
Inside your body, your body has a pH of about 7.4. That’s normal. That’s neutral. In that environment, your bone can… The minerals can go in and out as it needs to. So when you break a bone and the signal your body is getting is, “Oh gosh. We have a broken bone. It needs more calcium and phosphorus.” So it sends it more calcium phosphorous and it can get back into your bone because it’s not acidic. It’s neutral. But in your mouth, that might not happen.
(30:19)
So most of the foods that we eat are acidic, causing this to demineralize more than remineralize. You remineralize your teeth naturally by the minerals that are in your saliva. Your saliva contains minerals that when you salivate, which is all day long, the minerals are supposed to be able to go back and replace the ones that were lost.
(30:40)
However, because our diet is so acidic, because we’re constantly drinking coffee and tea and things that are acidic, we’re eating red meat and processed foods that are acidic and we’re brushing with stuff off the shelf that’s acidic, your saliva, isn’t alkaline. It’s more neutral. So, it can’t neutralize those acids and what happens when it’s not alkaline or more neutral is there’s minerals present and it’s not alkaline, you wash those away. You swallow them. They go away and you never remineralized the enamel.
(31:16)
The way to remineralized them is to do exactly what I said in brush with something that’s alkaline by nature, using the right teeth whitening system that’s alkaline by nature, and then making sure that your diet, obviously, and what you’ve mentioned with the vitamin D and the K, all of that is extremely important. You’re eating correctly and taking the right supplements, you can totally remineralize. I’ve mineralized thousands of teeth.
(31:48)
I actually had a customer one time. I’ll never forget her. Her name was Ms. Gibbs and she was in Texas and she had six. She had six cavities and one of them needed a root canal. She went to her dentist. She had started using my Dirty Mouth ToothPowder, as a last resort. Sort of like, “Oh my gosh. I’m not getting better with what I’m using. Let me see if this will help prevent any worse.” So she started using them and went to get her root canal, sat down in the chair and the dentist looked at her teeth and he said, “Ms. Gibbs, you can go home. You only can have one cavity and it’s so small. It doesn’t need a root canal.”
(32:28)
So it can happen and it doesn’t… People always want to know, “Well, how long does it take?” I can’t answer that because everybody’s different. It depends on your diet, your internal health, your saliva content, what you’re eating, your sleep. It depends on all of that. But what I can tell you is that most people in three days are like, “Oh my gosh, my mouth has never felt like this.” People that had teeth sensitivities for years, couldn’t get rid of sensitive teeth for years, three days later are like, “My teeth have never felt this good. Never rock hard.” It’s all about
Trina
(33:00)
How, if you’re brushing with the right thing, I’m creating that environment when you’re brushing. You have to do the work to make sure that you’re not eating the bad stuff, high sugar content. And what I tell people is “the acids are never going to go away with the foods that you eat, even when you’re eating healthy, but just make sure you eat your alkaline foods last, save a bite of your broccoli last, save your brussel sprouts for last, or your carrots”. Those are more alkaline by nature, and then rinse your mouth with water when you’re done, and then make sure you’re not brushing and destroying all that good work with something that’s built or made just like my dirty mouth tooth powder.
Stu
(33:40)
Yeah. Don’t finish up with your Coca-Cola too.
Trina
(33:44)
And your ice cream.
Stu
(33:45)
That’s right.
Trina
(33:45)
And even the red meat, if you eat your meat towards the end-
Stu
(33:50)
Yeah.
Trina
(33:51)
Save it, just save some bites of your vegetables or your salad. My husband eats his salad last and I always wondered what, but then I realized, oh, you’re doing a good thing because you’ve got the alkaline foods with a high mineral content and you’re eating it last instead of first.
Stu
(34:07)
Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it does make sense. So tell me how you eat then. So I’m imagining that you’re going to be dialed into the foods that will not serve your oral health and naturally gravitate to the ones that do. So what does your daily diet look like?
Trina
(34:26)
I eat very fresh foods.
Stu
(34:28)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Trina
(34:29)
And by that, I pretty much shop the perimeter of the grocery store and I don’t usually wheel my cart down the aisles. I leave my cart at the end. So if I need to go get some down the aisle, most of the stuff in the aisles is the garbage. I tell my kids, it’s the processed not food.
Stu
(34:46)
Yeah.
Trina
(34:47)
Some of it’s okay. Like the red sauce and stuff, as long as you’re buying the right brand. But I always leave my card at the end. And it’s like a game I run in and grab what I needed and I can get out, the faster I can get out. I have to beat the buzzer to get to my cart just because I know that the more that I shop at the perimeter, so the fresh vegetables, the fresh fruits, and I drink just water. That’s really all I drink.
Stu
(35:15)
Yeah.
Trina
(35:15)
Sometimes the sparkling waters and things like that, but nothing with sugar. I’m someone that omitted sugar from my diet a long time ago. And occasionally I’ll have something that has a honey or a molasses in it.
Stu
(35:29)
Yeah.
Trina
(35:30)
But very rarely do I use anything like that. So fish and meats I do eat those, but I cook them or make them in a healthy way.
Stu
(35:38)
Yeah.
Stu
(35:39)
Fantastic. Okay. Supplements, anything that you personally take or would recommend?
Trina
(35:48)
I’m on a special program right now of healing. I’ve had some health issues myself in the past. I’m on some special supplements.
Stu
(35:55)
Yeah.
Trina
(35:55)
But for the most part, if you’re eating healthy and taking care of yourself just a good brand or a good multivitamin with the vitamin D and the K, you want to make sure you’re getting those. If you need the probiotics, obviously taking probiotics omegas are always good as well.
Stu
(36:16)
Fantastic. Okay boy, lots and lots of info. So we’re coming towards the end. So just a couple of wrap-up questions. One specifically about yourself in terms of your daily non-negotiables. The practices that you follow each and every day in order to crush your day. What would they have been? It may be that you get up early, you look at the sunshine, do some yoga, anything like that.
Trina
(36:42)
Honestly, it’s something I do. And this is more in the evening.
Stu
(36:47)
Yeah.
Trina
(36:47)
Because in the morning I’ve got three kids and three dogs and some cats. So it’s-
Stu
(36:51)
Yeah.
Trina
(36:51)
Kind of like crazy. I usually start my day with a protein shake.
Stu
(36:56)
Right.
Trina
(36:56)
So that’s how I start my day and that’s my breakfast.
Stu
(36:59)
Right.
Trina
(37:00)
So I always do that. Occasionally I won’t, but for the most part that’s my routine because then my digestion gets going without being slugged.
Stu
(37:07)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Trina
(37:08)
if you will. But at nighttime I call it my future pacing. I future pace in a journal, I’ve always struggled with writing a journal. I know a lot of people do and that the reason they don’t write a journal is because they don’t know what to write. And a friend of mine told me recently, “if you future pace it and write it like it’s three years from today”.
Stu
(37:33)
Yeah.
Trina
(37:33)
“And what your life is like, it will start to bring ideas and you will start to figure out in your own life, how to map it to get there”. So in three years, when you read that journal about how I just purchased my dream house, such and such place, you’ll be like, oh my gosh.
Stu
(37:52)
Yeah.
Trina
(37:52)
I made that happen.
Stu
(37:55)
You manifested it.
Trina
(37:55)
So that’s how I write my journal, is I future pace my journal and write almost nightly. I try to do it almost nightly about somewhere I want to be whether it’s my family, my business, where I am in three years. And I don’t have to figure it out how I got there. I just need to know what that looks like.
Stu
(38:13)
Love it. Great. Fantastic. Yeah, many of our guests have spoken about journaling and intentions and planning the day and to win the day, things like that. But your future pacing, never heard of it, but it sounds fascinating. I like the idea of it. Manifest the dreams that become realities.
Trina
(38:32)
That’s right as soon as you put it out there-
Stu
(38:32)
That’s it.
Trina
(38:32)
now the universe can start to make it happen.
Stu
(38:36)
Exactly right. So, what’s next? What have you got coming up towards the end of the year? Next year?
Trina
(38:43)
Well, we’re releasing our Sonic toothbrush.
Stu
(38:46)
Okay.
Trina
(38:47)
So that’s what we’re working on right now, is getting ready to launch that for the holidays.
Stu
(38:52)
Yeah.
Trina
(38:52)
We’re working on that holiday sale and promotions and all that kind of stuff. And then next year we’re really starting to get into a lot of retail outlets.
Stu
(39:04)
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Trina
(39:04)
So continuing to build our retail presence, so we can just reach more people. My goal is to help everybody improve their health. And if I can do it retail is one of the best ways to get out there. So we’re working on that as well. And then new products, we’re going to be talking about what we want to come up with next. And one of our meetings coming up.
Stu
(39:28)
Fantastic. And so for all of our listeners out there keen to get more information from yourself, keen to explore your products, perhaps purchase and order your products for Australia. Where can I send them?
Trina
(39:44)
Primallifeorganics.com is the website. The links, if they want to get the detox kit or the teeth whitener, I can give you the special links where they can actually get the special pricing. I can’t do the special pricing through the website.
Stu
(40:00)
Yeah.
Trina
(40:00)
Because it’s really just for you guys. So if they follow those links for those. But they can follow me on Instagram I’m primal life org, and then on Facebook it’s primal life organics, and we’re on Pinterest and Twitter.
Stu
(40:13)
Yeah.
Trina
(40:14)
Most of the platforms.
Stu
(40:15)
All the usual suspects. No. Fantastic. All right. We’ll put all of those notes and links together in the podcast, but Trina, thank you so much for all of the information. It has been fantastic. A real eye opener on oral health. Thanks so much.
Trina
(40:30)
Thanks Stuart.
Stu
(40:31)
Take care. Bye-bye.
